Zarog’s Crown Well, maybe even Illusionist even w anti-synergy. Just saw it on the livestream. It achieves 50% winrate despite the auto-concede against other rogues: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=ROGUE&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&archetypes=276&sortBy=winrate, There is also Deathrattle Rogue, which is also controlish: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=ROGUE&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&sortBy=winrate&archetypes=198. I take deck TWICE. https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Queen_Wagtoggle?oldid=389517, The subject of this article is part of the. Posted by. Rogue simply isn't a good class for these kind of things. This site works best with JavaScript enabled. Or are they stuck playing an aggro deck, hoping to win by turn 6, before cards like Togg are relevant? 0. Can you afford to just play the value game as rogue? Take a second to tell us how you feel! As far as the comment about going down in power level, sure it's no Midrange Hunter, but don't make it sound like it's a meme deck either. Why in the world anybody listen to kripp is beyond me. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, World of Warcraft Arena World Championship, New Rogue Legendary Card - Heistbaron Togwaggle. Perhaps with enough removal (which rogues have gotten recently) you can survive that kind of tempo loss. This is ridiculously strong… the requirement is too easy. Wondrous Wand Hearthstone Database, Deck Builder, News, and more! I love that he rates the 4/3 pirate 4 stars and our new king only gets 3. Rogue has received a ton of amazing, sometimes questionably broken late game cards, but due to their low survivability, have rarely been able to make use of it. On paper, everything you said is correct. If Dragon Fury was rotating out by itself, and every other BSM card was staying in Standard, it would still be accurate to say Big Spell Mage will no longer exist. Control rogue doesn't exist so this card is bad. With all the cards we know of so far, he and I are correct. Kripp is usually even worse at predicting card power levels than Trump, Kripp vs Trump vs Hearthpwn, the ultimate battle to see who is the worst card power predictor. Summon two copies of it. 3 mana - Draw a card. Since you’re unlikely to have a lackey stick for a turn, Togwaggle is effectively 7 mana for a 6/6 (5/5 + 1/1) of stats with good value. Thats exactly why this card is in rogue and not in priest, where it would be OP AF. The foundation isn't there. Join us on Discord! Then using your 3 free Malygos next turn. As a final boss, Queen Wagtoggle starts with 3 mana, which means she immediately uses her hero power. he knows what hes talking about. If you are falling behind, you need good means of recover. I am not surprised to see Kripp being a bit skeptical as well. Like or Dislike? Card Image. When we use the word "deck" to actually mean "deck type", we are using a definition that encompasses more than just assigning 30 cards to the same slot. Close. 6 Heistbaron Togwaggle 1; 7 Galakrond, the Nightmare 1; Neutral (12) 2 Acidic Swamp Ooze 1; 2 Zephrys the Great 1; 3 SN1P-SN4P 1; 4 Spellbreaker 1; 4 Troll Batrider 1; 5 Faceless Corruptor 1; 5 Leeroy Jenkins 1; 5 Shield of Galakrond 1; 5 Zilliax 1; 6 Kronx Dragonhoof 1; 7 Siamat 1; 9 Dragonqueen Alexstrasza 1; Rate this Deck. Skip to: 8:30 If you're playing aggro or tempo, why do you need togwaggle??. It's just a good card, nothing more. Rogue has only had a couple control decks you could consider viable (pre-nerf Kingsbane and Quest Rogue), but for all their potential to play and replay powerful effects, their mediocre survivability is what prevented them from playing a true value control game. Hearthstone Wiki is a Fandom Gaming Community. I just posted this because I'm planting my flag officially in Team Kripp on this one, something I have not done prior. At this point, your best option is to already have a theme to your deck, with treasures that allow you to stay alive long enough to gain board control. Heistbaron Togwaggle. Tiny treasure. Only Tempo and Aggro. Big Spell Mage is only called "big spell" because of one card:  Dragon's Fury. Those treasures on demand should not be underestimated. Deathrattle Rogue with N’zoth and Shadowstep, the ‘Checkmate’ Rogue with Brann, Shadowcaster, Healbot and Blade of Cthun, Burgle Rogue (now Espionage Rogue), the very short lived Jade Rogue, and the one people are more familiar with: Mill. Dragon's Fury allows you to wipe the board reliably turn 5, but carries the restriction of making it very ill-advised to run spells that are cheap. Discussion. Death Queen Wagtoggle (yell) Defeat Queen Wagtoggle Togwaggle, it the same as all times. Hopefully, every serious Hearthstone player has read Rosewater's "Who's the Beatdown?" Golden Kobold Umm... control rogue doesn't exist? It's a good idea to occasionally say some controversial to get people talking about you and watching your YT videos. This might be the best Legendary (and best card) revealed so far (catching up on reveals right now, lol). 3 months ago. This new Toggwaggle is definitely an amazing card on its own. This could actually be a thing. I think this is a great game-ender for Tempo Lackey Rogue. I'm sure if every other rogue card revealed turn out to be every possible need to make a Control deck, he will change his tune, but for the moment, Control Rogue does not exist, with or without Tog 2.0. It is choose-a-treasure…choose-a-Wand basically…instead of relying on RNG to get the wand for deck-ideas! Rogue will still lose to aggro like always, but beating control, combo, and midrange decks is perfectly reasonable with a miracle or tempo style including Togwaggle. Burgle Rogue may occasionally fill the control roll within a certain game, but that does not make it a control deck. That does not speak to whether a deck is classified as "control". If you find my definition acceptable, and if you don't you'd need to explain why, Control Rogue quite literally does not exist. This new Toggwaggle is definitely an amazing card on its own. Follow Us On Twitter Tog 2.0 is not going to make a meaningful impact on the meta for the foreseeable (defined as "until the next set release") future. Having you no shame?! New expansion – Descent of Dragons – has been out for a few days already… and a nerf patch was already announced. ©Trimutius. share. THE... Candles? And though it is impossible I exist. This page was last edited on 30 April 2020, at 19:33. If you thought you knew what you think I know, then you'd know I knew you knew I know. Feel free to prove everyone wrong when the card comes out, but I don't get why people make such a fuss about it. Also, the board clears rogue does have aren't as bad as Kripp makes it sound, we have multiple single-target removals and Vanish. https://liquipedia.net/hearthstone/Kripparrian. It is a good card, perhaps even very good, and can certainly make for some big turns, and Rogue can do all sorts of things to get even more out of him, but it requires a bit of a setup and a turn where you can savely play him. he knows what hes talking about. The overall reach of the deck is typically 34: Malygos adds five points of spell damage to two copies of Sinister Strike and two copies of Eviscerate. Nobody and nothing have sent me. This card was/is made for DaneHS, did Dane dev this card from the inside and kept it quiet? Nope. The current iteration of Malygos Rogue makes heavy use of Galakrond and Heistbaron Togwaggle to draw some zero-cost cards that can then be used to destroy the opponent out of the blue. MILL ROGUE DOESN'T EXIST WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT. Sorry, something in my throat. Rogue is going to be very interesting, there has to be a busted deck with all of the tools they are getting. I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. We are talking about a plan, and a coherent vision of winning a game. Yeah, as I think about how a game with this card plays out, I’m left asking myself wouldn’t I rather play Tesspionage? I've stated mutliple times in the card discussion thread for pretty much the same reasons Kripp brings up that I'm not really convinced of Togwaggle being the bestest, strongestest card ever and so broken it will be nerfed within two weeks, as some people claim. Control deck's typical win condition is out-valuing the opponent and running them out of resources. Kripp "Heistbaron Togwaggle is really bad for rogue", Sorry, something in my throat. Queen Wagtoggle is one of the final bosses in chapter 1 of The Dalaran Heist. Battlecry: If you control a Lackey, choose a fantastic treasure! The RNG is not the win condition, the value differential from playing those cards for 1 mana, having a larger deck, controlling the board via Cutlass, and regenerating the board via Tess is your win condition. © 2020 MagicFind, Inc. All rights reserved. Other treasure Is from royal vault. The discover "nerf" hypothetical dust refund. I cringe so hard at the idea of using this to gain a wand. I would be willing to bet that in actuality 100% of the meta predictions in this post are 100% incorrect. We clearly don't mean the other 28 cards couldn't be put in a deck; they obviously could. Overall, yeah, this guy is real good. But yeah, a controlling Rogue archtype has never ever existed. Help Sign In. I also hate to hear "X archetype doesn't exist, so Y card is bad" right before a MASSIVE meta shift. That's exactly what burgle rogue is designed to do, not because of RNG but because it can play your own class's cards cheaper against you while sporting a larger deck. This thread is archived. But can Rogue even survive to do all those amazing things? There’s also stuff like Zilliax and the new Travelling Healer for some neutral healing to try and of course Vanish to catch up. Makes sense, salty friend. Tolin’s Goblet Discussion. It might down in history as the quickest nerf in the history, just like Galakrond Shaman might be one of the stronger decks ever – it’s rare that a single deck dominates the early meta so hard. Are all the copies 1 mana or full mana cost? The discover "nerf" hypothetical dust refund. You let small-fry take candle? save hide report. now this is a card,the name alone is great. It's like saying back in 2015 that Dr. Boom is not good because it costs 7 mana so it's a 'control card'. The plan of BSM was once muddled by the inclusion of Arcane Intellect, but after folks realized that the deck is weakened to the point of lack of viability by the specter of the "Fury for 3" outcome, the list almost universally switched to Raven Familiar or Acolyte. We’ll see. Edit: They’re Marin’s treasures!? Rogue has only had a couple control decks you could consider viable (pre-nerf Kingsbane and Quest Rogue), but for all their potential to play and replay powerful effects, their mediocre survivability is what prevented them from playing a true value control game. Please enable JavaScript to get the best experience from this site. Normally I would agree but this card is so insanely strong that it can make control or midrange lackey rogue an archetype all by itself. This seems fairly good assuming Rogue can at least have a turn or two to breathe. To say Control Rogue flatly, simply doesn't exist is to deal in absolutes. Furthermore, the reason he confidently states that Control Rogue does not exist is because it has never existed, it's nowhere close to existing, and no one card will change that. https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/231391-new-rogue-legendary-card-heistbaron-togwaggle.