A miserable pile of secrets. Everything in this game feels bad to lose against. “Will My face explode?!? If he wasn't a legendary he'd be broken. You have a hunch and an opinion. They became a secret class since C&C Set, so its only natural that blizzard adds other secrets, because 3 secrets in wild are way too few to use it. Shadow steps it. Discuss this card below or head on over to the card page to give it a rating! And if a nerf is unnecessary than it is a bad nerf in my eyes. I absolutely love losing against bomb warrior lol. Head on over to our dedicated guide for Ashes of Outland! Plenty of things are fine to lose against. Great, more "infinite value" for Rogue, as if they didn't have enough :/. Plays 5 secrets. One game opponent had freezing trap and a taunt behind it. This is going to be a very annoying card to play against. Secrets in general are unfun to play against especially paladin and hunter. This meta sucks. I would like to start that I don't say that Shadowjeweler Hanar is broken. Hearthstone has a long history of remove this or lose. you were wrong because the nerf wasn’t something necessary. Secret Rogue might be a thing. It's not the only card in the game that's a problem when it hides behind a taunt. I can't wait to see all the Rogue secrets (we're getting at least 3 according to Thijs). But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” ―. Lmao 1576 posts on this forum and you haven’t learned much it seems. Follow me on Twitch and Twitter.If you are planning on playing WoW on US realms, consider using my recruit link =). Nicholas Cage bought a pet octopus once because he sincerely thought it might help with his acting. EU Legend: S52 (ZooHeal Lock); S76 (Highlander Hunter); Now? Sounds funky. but the hanar nerf in the majority’s opinions was a good nerf because it was necessary. You must be signed in to leave a comment. I wonder if it will always give you a choice of a mage, paladin and hunter secret or if it's going to mix it up? Literally everything. The majority of the community agreed with the Hanar nerf. And since that’s a great combo you may encounter it rather frequently. Its super good but not OP. the galakrond IS what’s completely broken and still hasn’t been touched. This is a high diamond galak secret rogue (me) with 400 games with my exact decklist vs. a highlander galakarond priest. The card was strong and the deck was a bit too overtuned. inconsistencies are never good no idea why would you want them to add 1 to the game. And the RNG is strong in this one. Sign in here. Tekahn & Galakrond Rogue | This Is 100% Broken | 4/4 Lackey | Ashes of Outland New | Hearthstone ... Shadowjeweler Hanar # 1x (3) Edwin VanCleef # 2x (3) EVIL Miscreant ?”, I don’t mind losing against aggro either. It pretty much makes sure youl get at least 1 Secret from him (or 2 if their from Paladin). So blizzard deciding to remove 1 health means I’m wrong ? I hate the card so much. Posted 5 … At that time dreadsteed wasn’t. oh so defile’s mechanic was the problem and not dreadsteed. You can do the same thing with Patrons. That’s broken too. Destroy an entire intended interaction (deathrattle triggering between each defile) rather than just changing one card so old it’s in wild. Being able to splash out a number of secrets, that are actually now secret (so many options, who knows what could be hit), that it creates some powerful mind games. WHAT ? Log in to Reply. The animation of Defile doing one round of damage is about one second and the animation of Dreadsteed returning about two seconds. Shadowjeweler Hanar can be obtained through Ashes of Outland card packs, through crafting, or as an Arena reward. Not always fun, but fine. Unlike a 30 mins match of who can randomly generate better value. If you want to save money when buying Hearthstone packs, you should check out Amazon Coins! It's almost as if secrets kinda suck and you need something a little bit ridiculous to make them worth playing, or something. You were wrong Bee. Must kill minion for 2 mana.. great job blizzard, seems like it's roguestone for the next expansion again. and it is the exact nerf i suggested for the card. I’m saying it wasn’t ‘‘necessary’’ and stand by my original post. Even then, Secret Rogue is so fringe right now relative to Weapon and Stealth Rogue, you'd never play any of it anyway. 2-mana 1/5s are difficult to get rid off so you can often just slam this on turn 2 and get away with it. “Golly bob howdy, I am undead!” - Wretched Tiller, The stats, low mana cost and that it is a discover, make this look great! they decided to make a useless hanar nerf instead. Gotta love cheap legendary minion with cool effect - should be valuable, if the new secrets are worth it. Nerf a card that doesn’t need to be nerfed because you print another card that breaks it rather than just changing its interaction. How can I remove it without a spell? This problem has been for many years. Defile is in wild. Every card I draw I’m on the edge of my seat thinking . ”What is a shadowjeweler? I hate hanar more when the rogue plops it down. the card is too good and should be revised along with a pile of other cards that the geniuses at blizzard thought up. Ah, yes, because that’s incredibly easy to code and it would be super intuitive to have dreasteed deathrattle not act the same as any other deathrattle. What if I play minion heavy build? I got your back : This actually looks awesome! Disable ads and unlock cosmetics with Out of Cards Premium! And each turn he just kept getting 4-5 secrets until he won the game. Great logic. Passing by to let you know that YOU’RE indeed wrong. I’m not saying the nerf is bad. everyone knows blizz doesn’t know what they’re doing when it comes to nerfs. Probably due to blackjack stunner being so good, but it will always be a headache to see this guy in the mid game. Sounds like a control deck, which is nice! Did Tess need a nerf ? Ill take data and creators over hunches of regular players. The secret (lol) to beating Hanar is to ignore him. So that’s why it was deemed necessary to nerf. Your friendly neighbourhood bot!Like what I'm doing? Second what makes this card “broken” is that, depending on the game, you can “produce” another 8 cards (Hanar + secret + 3 different secrets, and next turn another 5 secrets) - since Hearthstone ment to be 30 cards limited to per deck for me this “idea” is broken already. LegendaryBot. Now Rogues have indeed become a secret class. And so does Illucia and Nzoth and Hadronox and The Caverns Below and Patches and Sylvanas.... At the time when those were played there were more answers to those cards. Defile was in standard when it came. After you play a Secret, Discover a Secret from a different class. This card might just be insane ;). I tried having fun once. Although I don’t really think they need to go away, More posts from the hearthstone community, For fans of Blizzard Entertainment's digital card game, Hearthstone, Press J to jump to the feed. Secret Rogue (and secrets generally) are currently too fringe to really be worth teching against for best of one matches. I mean a 2-mana kill all minions and kill those summoned by the deathrattle too might have been too strong. CHANGING THE INTERACTION SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN DREADSTEED AND DEFILE NOT WITH THE rest. There’s hundred of cards that are just as good, if not better and HAVEN’T been touched in years. I would like to start that I don't say that Shadowjeweler Hanar is broken. If he wasn't a legendary he'd be broken. Long, drawn-out Control Match-ups with Boardclears en masse and an unbelievable amount of greedy cards? What if I play minion heavy build? I'm not sure there's much they could about removing Hanar itself though. Technically he also protects himself through discovered secrets. It’s quick game at least. And Rouge, especially in this expansion, can produce a lot of cards already with Galakrond and simply win on fatigue. Go back to your bronze rank. example ? Great logic. Those stats are solid.The mana cost is solid.The effect is above average.If it sticks, it perpetuates card generation. No one is going to go "That was fun" when they lose. I know it would only help some decks, but I think if they tweaked the Zeph algorithm it would be useful. And that’s just super annoying. There’s a reason people don’t really play secrets unless they can cheat them out like with Phase Stalker - they mostly suck. The reference to your amount of forum posts was about how after all this time on these forums you legitimately think anyone who has a different opinion than you is just gold lol. Also the only claim you have for that nerf being unnecessary is that other cards are just as strong but aren’t getting nerfed? A new Legendary Rogue Minion, Shadowjeweler Hanar, has been revealed! Discuss this card below or head on over to the card page to give it a rating! It’s a one attack minion, while your opponent is setting up a Christmas Tree you hit them on the face and they die. None of the boring vanilla Rush minion "esports" decks are fun to play against. And there was no outcry over it like there is about everything else in the game. Shadowjeweler Hanar is a 2 Mana Cost Legendary Rogue Minion card from the Ashes of Outland set! I'd rather have cards I could play. It was awful. They nerfed Danksteed ’ cos it was too cheap for such a strong board clear combo. hanar is necessary and made the difference, he didn’t have murozond in hand the turn after I ran hanar. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, World of Warcraft Arena World Championship. Or instead offer us a new secret stealer or destroyer. In fact I have noticed that after losing to Rogue with this card I typically just stop playing for a while. and crazy combos are great, or a deck you don't see coming. We've got a detailed guide on how to Get Started with Amazon Coins, but if you've already dealt with them in the past, you can buy some more by clicking right here. CHANGING THE INTERACTION SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN DREADSTEED AND DEFILE NOT WITH THE rest. Cool card, but i guess it is very slow and i doubt it that this will see play aside from meme decks (Tess is rotating out). They have all the data at their fingertips. this infuriates me. So just take the L and move on. I don’t see your point. Its super good but not OP. Or instead offer us a new secret stealer or destroyer.